MGTOW Is Not The Means, But The End (Immortal Mindz Response)

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Of all the MGTOW videos in my favorites playlist, I feature Immortal Mindz (AKA Soul Immortal) the most.

The man is a wizard of the mind, a monk mode expert, and esoteric philosopher. I think very few other MGTOW will be able to comprehend or convey the significance of walking the solitary path. Soul once compared it to Santiago leaving Fatima in The Alchemist.

But to Soul, Monk Mode is only a temporary journey. While I don’t believe he will ever re-marry, he has created a potential blind spot for future dating with his 95/5 categorization of women.

This “virtuous woman” (aka NAWALT) occupies 5% of the total female population. However, he has stated that in modern times, the actual population the average man has access to is at or below 1% , as the other women in the 5% category currently belong to mostly isolated communities like the Amish, African Tribes, the Nunnery, etc.

Since the beginning, Soul has always been a believer in “raising one’s vibration” and Positive Thinking, and he claims that as soon as he spoke his 95/5 theory into existence, he suddenly began to see more of these favorable women appear in his life.

Now here’s the danger. Soul could very well be a Monk for the rest of his life, so he can simply observe and spout these theories without any harm to himself, and even if he leaves Monk Mode, he still has a wealth of experience to draw from, but his followers might not share the same level of sophistication. Men very early in their stages of rebuilding during the MGTOW Red Pill may cling towards any rationalization they can to keep women on a pedestal and never go down the lone road of the Monk.

Last year he made a new YouTube channel, and since then, more women and purple pill men have been occupying the comments section. I salute the man, but Iron Sharpeneth Iron, as he said, and so I must deem that his space is no longer a MGTOW refuge.

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Charl was among other MGTOW men still stuck in the red-pill rage phase, and cases like him are why I decided to make MGTOW content, because there is a great lack of Monk Mode content available for those men to envision a productive path forward.

General MGTOW does do incredibly well with enlightening men on the pitfalls of dating and relationships, but it’s Monk Mode MGTOW that illuminates the path of self-actualization that comes after that.

If Charl had followed people within my circle, he would have learned that after taking the Red Pill, the best thing to look forward to is yourself, your own freedom, and the new possibilities for growth within your character.

Stranahan was correct to say that Charl is in the beginning stage of Red Pill, specifically the bargaining phase of the grief cycle, and needs to work on self-love because even though he has a desire for self-improvement, his focus is still outward on finding this 5% NAWALT.

The method he is employing to find her is also questionable, and it’s the exact sort of Positive Thinking tactics I said Immortal Mindz’ followers would find themselves in trouble with.

Soul did develop the 95/5 concept from the observations of healthier relationships from older men and women and combining it with his own experience, but Soul himself is of an older generation.

For the younger guys, this <1% NAWALT population is shrinking by the day.

Listen, I’ve read As A Man Thinketh. I absolutely love the quote “Man does not attract that which he wants, he attracts that which he is.” However, I don’t think it applies when you are trying to attract people, because people have much more personal agency than to be treated like objects in this way, and besides that, there is no guarantee that when you raise your vibration you won’t end up attracting the wrong type of people in your direction that may want to steal energy from you instead of building on it.


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Soul has always said that women are never meant to be pursued, only attracted. But if a man enters cocoon mode for the sole intent of later attracting a worthy mate, I will go as far to say that his pursuit of women has never ended; It remained as a spiritual longing even though it temporarily ceased in the physical.

Even when told of the possibilities of a fulfilling life outside of relationships, Charl’s response still revolves around women. His future depends on the quality of women available, and not solely on the quality of man he wants to become. This is the key difference between all the shades of blue and red pill, and the man that has decided to go monk.

This is why I say MGTOW is above Red Pill.

Red Pill is simply the knowledge of female nature, but MGTOW is about your own nature, possibly extending to all of nature, and the road to mastering it.


You don’t have to be celibate to be considered MGTOW. We’re not in the business of denying men of their comforts and privileges; we’re about maximizing personal freedom. Some of us men have realized that relationships with women could be a compromise to that freedom. It has absolutely nothing to do with having the strength or weakness to engage with women.

There is absolutely nothing pathetic about a formerly married man admitting that after his divorce and finding MGTOW, he has had his fill with women and now wants to move on to living a solitary life. I can’t even begin to describe how distorted your views must be look down on a man like this. Even if you meant for this label to only be extended to never-married men, it’s still wrong to associate a man’s self worth to his relations with women.

It was at this point that I decided to contribute to the discussion, and specifically call out the 95/5 as yet another fancy packaging for the NAWALT blue pill.

The reasons I wanted him to reply specifically after he moved in with his unicorn were because:

  1. That’s what I expect a Blue Pill man to do.
  2. I suspected he hasn’t found his 5% yet; it was food for thought.

Men and women are fundamentally different, and that’s why I implied there will be some level of maintenance, which can also extend to compromise. It’s called a sexual marketplace for a reason, for the fact that it denotes the interactions of men and women are always involving some form of exchange.

It’s just economics. No amount of positive thinking is going to change the fact that we live in a world of limited resources. Your time, freedom, and youth, are all limited resources. Everything has an opportunity cost.

I will close with wise words from Immortal Mindz:

Many of these men who are letting go of MGTOW will unfortunately be returning to just another shade of Blue Pill. You must go deeper, separate much further, to realize true elevation and clarity awarded only to the lucky few that choose to purse the path of a MGTOW Monk.

See you on the motherfuckin’ Far Side… and I’m out.


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Response to the Regretful Valedictorian: Relationships, Potential, and MGTOW Monk Mode

Congratulations.

If you haven’t watched his speech, in essence, he regretted sacrificing his relationships and social life in order to earn his status as Valedictorian. He was elated for all but 15 seconds when it was confirmed, but arrived at the 16th second with emptiness

“Relationships are where we get to influence, impact, and change people’s lives. Your life can not be meaningful without them.” – Kyle Martin, TKA Class of 2019 Valedictorian

I too know the struggle Kyle. I sacrificed my own relationships in high school for the same achievement, and went even further, dedicating my summers, weekends, and some after-school sessions to strengthen my SAT scores and college applications to enter a top university.

I was satisfied with this peak after high school, and completely threw grades out the window when I started university, going full social life, even joining a fraternity, and well, the rest is a hazy history. (I did earn consecutive Dean’s List awards when I returned to college, however).

Despite only spending three semesters at that university, I’m very fortunate that I still have the ability to call a few of those guys up and hang with them if I were in town.

But that’s just the thing; I’d have to be in town.

You think relationships are important to you because of immediacy and proximity, but after you and your friends move away to start your careers, not many of these relationships will survive the distance. And a relationship like a wife and child will come at the cost of your other platonic relationships.

Even your parents would want you to move out and start your own life eventually.

You can’t always take people with you, and that’s why I personally wouldn’t advise tailoring your life’s meaning to coincide with such independent external forces such as social relationships.

Success

For me, being Valedictorian will always be, like David Goggins says, a trophy in my mind.

Achieving your goals creates a reservoir of confidence.

It’s not about the 16th second, but about the 16th week or the 16th month or the 16th year when you suddenly lose your confidence and begin to doubt yourself again.

Your personal accomplishments are permanent reminders that you have seen greatness, and reflecting on this proof of your past success can propel you to overcome future struggles and achieve future goals.

Faith

Kyle was only 0.06 points above his competitor for Valedictorian. She and the other students below him in rank may never attain the same level of confidence in the future.

Kyle ended his speech on Faith, and having a relationship with Jesus Christ.

But what is Faith, other than a stronger synonym for confidence?

If I had to my put faith in anyone, it would actually be the salutatorian.

While Kyle could not foresee the 16th second of his life after earning his Valedictorian status, Lauren was able to appreciate the duality of this graduation ceremony, appreciating all the small steps that led up to this grand event, but also recognizing that it’s all a much smaller moment in the entirety of her life and of time as a whole.

“Seniors, as we stand on the cusp of a new season, I challenge you to maintain perspective. Like tonight’s graduation is merely a gradation in the scheme of life, our lives are a gradation in the swath of eternity. And so, I ask you, do you know the one that holds tomorrow?” – Lauren Arrington, TKA Class of 2019 Salutatorian

Happiness

I have no place to tell others what should make them happy. If your life feels more fulfilling pursuing relationships rather than witnessing the extent of your potential, that is what you have decided to keep in your heart throughout your journey.

I just believe that you should hold no regrets Kyle, because your accomplishment was indeed worth it, and the relationships you hold so dearly can not only be more meaningful, but increasingly numerous and influential when we have achieved our full potential.

Were your friends and family not more proud of you because of your accomplishment?

If you were not Valedictorian, you would have never had the platform to give your speech and influence your entire senior class, and, if not for your controversial topic, the 5 million+ viewers on YouTube as well.


MGTOW / Monk Mode

“A lesson learned should be a lesson shared”, as Kyle said.

Likewise, there is one lesson, but two paths to learning it, in MGTOW philosophy.

The first is learning it the hard way, which is the painstaking process of redefining your life after the highly coveted relationships you tethered your life’s meaning behind have disastrously dissolved. This usually occurs during a divorce.

However, you can also discover MGTOW the easy way, which is heeding the lessons from these previously burned men, and choosing to stay far away from the fire.

“A clever person solves problems. A wise person avoids it” – Albert Einstein

Then there are the men who go Monk: The ones that are willing to go down the path of life relatively alone.

They have greatly limited or sworn off all relationships with women/romantic partners, most platonic friendships, and quite possibly, even their own families.

Some men choose this path for the freedom, the peace, and quiet.

But others, like myself, have chosen this path to simply see ourselves, in our entirety. It is a path of self-knowledge and self-sufficiency.

Who are we, exactly, without the influence of others? Could we still function, alone, without society? If you were left with no one but yourself to serve, without any distractions, could you complete your greatest work?

What is your great work?

Most MGTOW are completely content retiring early due to the financial independence earned from not having to provide for a wife or kids.

But to the rare few of us in MGTOW, the 1%, the radical monks, sustenance and wealth building are just trivial logistical concerns.

What truly sustains us is the complete output of our full potential. The only regret to have is not ever knowing the feeling of having the full weight of your being behind a singular goal, and courageously setting out to accomplish it.


Not much from this world can be taken with you to the grave, or the afterlife, so if reflecting on all the relationships you made throughout your life is going to make you smile on your deathbed, by all means, live that life to the fullest.

But “a lesson learned should be a lesson shared” as Kyle said, so here is my lesson:

The happiness you can create while completely alone is a happiness you can experience every second of your life, and not just the 16th.

See you on the Far Side – Monk Moon Base

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Vegeta and Bulma are like Kim Kardashian and Kanye West

Surprisingly, there are strong similarities between the two couples.

Vegeta and Kanye both have had their “bad guy” phases.

Vegeta attacked Earth trying to steal the Dragon Balls, and Kanye stole the stage at the VMA’s to transfer Taylor Swift’s award shine onto Beyonce.

Bulma and Kim were also “bad girls” in their pasts too, as both women weren’t afraid to show some skin to get ahead and acquire fame and power.

They also come from rich and successful families, specifically their fathers: Bulma being the daughter of the man who invented technology to store any item, even a house, into a tiny capsule, and Kim being born from a nationally recognized attorney father to then having a former Olympic athlete as her step-father.)

As two men who never smile in pictures, Vegeta and Kanye were the last men expected to be the ones to turn these h’s into housewives. But a closer look at their marriages may reveal that these men said “I do” out of strategy and not just sexuality.

First off, and even though most of his race is extinct and he has no subjects, Vegeta does come from royalty, so it makes socio-economic sense for the Prince of All Saiyans to match up with the Princess of the Capsule Corporation, but Vegeta also gained access to exclusive resources through his relationship with Bulma.

The context here is that Vegeta was not only beaten by Goku, but then shown up again as Goku was the first to become a legendary Super Saiyan, which questioned Vegeta’s credibility as true heir to the Saiyan throne.

However, it was with Capsule Corp. technology that Vegeta was able to train under 450x Earth’s normal gravity, and travel to outer space for further development in solitude, which later resulted in him also becoming a Super Saiyan and achieving a power level well above his rival Goku.

Likewise, Kanye was down and out after his failed clothing line venture landed him $53 million in debt. However, Kanye would (allegedly) quickly find relief after sharing a joint bank account with Kim as she cashed out an $80 million check from a successful video game development.

Despite the rumors, stigma, and reputation of these women, both men saw great opportunity in a long-term commitment, and gained access to resources that helped them achieve their goals.

All they had to do was put a baby in them, and the rest of the world would become their play thing.

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MGTOW

Although MGTOW men avoid marriage as a strategy to protect their freedom and finances, Vegeta and Kanye managed to marry up and achieve more than they could on their own.

For a group of men that often famously recite “the juice isn’t worth the squeeze” regarding the value of a modern relationship with a woman, on the contrary, Vegeta and Kanye’s cups runneth over after settling into their marriages.

Yes, they did have to bite the bullet settling with post-wall women with storied sexual histories, but nonetheless they upped their social rank and economic ability with this vertical move.

Despite it all, it is undeniable that both Bulma Brief and Kim Kardashian are talented entrepreneurial women, and being the 2nd generation of rich and successful parents, it is safe to call them both “princesses”.

So, MGTOW guys, if women these days aren’t really bringing anything to the table, then only take a seat at the table if the woman already has a full house.


Where have all the good men gone?” The peasant women will ask.

“Out slaying dragons” A wise man will answer. “They won’t settle for anything less than a princess these days.”


So go your own way, and I’ll see you on the Far Side

– Monk Moon Base

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Only Dating For Status – MGTOW

My first girlfriend ruined dating for me.

I spent most of high school freshman year under the radar until I started getting recognition for my academic success, which attracted the attention of a pretty cute girl.

I actually had a massive crush on her friend instead, who was much smarter and more interesting, but I never had a girlfriend before, so I took the offer.

I remember the next day in class when a friend of mine metaphorically bared his neck out to me in apology for touching my new girlfriend inappropriately, as he hadn’t heard the news yet.

As the relationship went on, I had to block upperclassmen from staring at her, and even though she wasn’t that popular herself, other students were curious about me and I started meeting new people that way.

However, my choice to vacation in Florida for the summer ended the relationship, and I was back to being a Zero at the start of 10th grade.

But I would never forget what having a pretty girl on your arm did for how I was viewed in the world.

After my first relationship, any girl I would potentially add to my life was estimated against how my friends, family, and the general population would react to it.

I actually want dateless to Prom because I had found out that the Junior girl I was interested in taking wasn’t the good girl I thought she was. People kept trying to set me up with girls after that, even my Principal! But most were below me in status, so I just went with my Bros and danced with those girls later on anyway.

Mutual attraction with a girl didn’t really matter; dating her would be a reflection or extension of me out to the world, so she would have to meet some high standards.

It bothered me for a while that every romantic decision had to be vetted in this way. But now that I am MGTOW, and in Monk Mode for that matter, I’m beginning to realize I might not have been that interested in dating and relationships that much to begin with.

“Sex is all amygdala, not neocortex.”

Is what was told to me during my first time, losing my virginity.

But it seems I have always been wrestling with my biology. I actually put off losing my virginity for so long because I was always hoping I would have a good story to tell if I was ever asked about it.

Everything had to be perfect…

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My brother is married and one of our mutual best friends is going to be next. They double date all the time now, and now our old traditions we had when we were all bachelors have become couples-events.

In fact, I was last-minute invited to one of our favorite traditional dinners because there happened to be some extra space, which was unfair because I could have totally gotten a date if I was told ahead of time!

But I suppose they assumed I would go solo, and me being a fifth wheel wasn’t fun for any of us. Even though it’s something that we all used to look forward to every year, I won’t be attending the next one unless I have a date.

In fact, I now only seriously consider a girlfriend when I think about my brother and his friend, because I only want a hot girlfriend just to show them up for those types of events.


There’s plenty of restaurants I want to check out around the city, but that’s really not an exclusive event only reserved for a relationship. In fact, I’d probably much rather enjoy a bigger group of friends to enjoy this with.

I literally only fantasize about having a hot girlfriend for family events and so on, so everyone can see how cool I am because of her.

But outside of that, spending so much time with just one person, only because you are attracted to them, just doesn’t make sense to me anymore.

I’m not getting any social recognition or value by being cooped up under a blanket watching Netflix with my girl.

I would really only want a social girlfriend. I would only date a girl for her status.

But left completely to my own devices, I would just go my own way.

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Is The 80/20 Rule In Dating Bogus?

If you’re a lover of mathematics, it would be quite the romantic idea that the Paretto Principle, the idea that only 20% of a population attain 80% of the results, would also be present in the dating world, but this statistical phenomena is only present in environments with a neutral measuring unit that every member is equally vying for.

The Paretto Principle works for things like income, coding, and even crime, because the entire population within those categories are being measured for the same outcome.

For instance, money is neutral within itself and we all desire it somewhat equally. This provides an even playing field for the Paretto Principle to distribute itself.

However, this does not work in dating because attraction and attractiveness for the opposite sex, for both genders, is not neutral, so the desire and distribution can not be spread out so uniformly.

Most of the speculation on this theory falls flat because it’s viewed from the perspective of perceived “lower tier” men, without much consideration of what’s happening outside with the other members of the population.

Even if 80% of women are indeed chasing the top 20% of men, this does not mean that the top percent of men are juggling all 80% of those women. 

First off, having that many women is bound to infringe on the law of diminishing returns. The most likely scenario is that a top-tier man has a decent rotation of women which most likely increases in quality but reduces in quantity over time. 

Even if that’s not the case, if you are a top-percent guy, why would you associate with the bottom tier of women when you have access the cream of the crop? 

To further our research, we would have to investigate the habits of these top-percent men to confirm. But fine, I’m a little bit more conservative myself, so I’ll be happy to concede that many other men can be complete thirst dogs. Onto the next point.


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Believing in the 80/20 dating rule completely ignores beta-buxxing and monkey branching as well, as there are certainly men out there who are able to get sex via their ability to provide.

Now, the quality of that sex is a different story.

We could have a totally separate argument that out of all the men having sex, only 20% are having 80% of the best sex, but to just outright say that only 20% are having sex at all is a complete misuse of the principle.

At first you’re getting 100% with the girl, but then you move in or marry her, and after a while it’s only 20% of what it used to be, in quality and quantity. Meanwhile, on Girls’ Night, that’s where she meets Chad to make up for that 80% you’ve been missing.

But let’s continue with the premise that 80% of women are chasing that 20% of men. For the women who have a harder time gaining access to this select field, how long can she delay gratification?

“At best, they are looking to have their egos stroked by saying no to all the men who seem to be interested in them [especially through online dating] and then will have an anonymous sexual encounter with some random loser, when they have been too long without love, sex or intimacy. “

Nicoguy_Chad on goingyourownway forums.

This is why I still think game matters, because you could easily be that “random loser” who can score the woman with the social media inflated SMV when she realizes her dreams aren’t coming true.

However, I think there’s a little bit more variety and optimism to be had in life. Not every girl is online dating. Do you really not have any friends who are average guys and are able to score some dates?

Having a limited social life and only reaching out to other individuals with a similar predicament on the internet can really distort your view of reality.

Some girls also learn quite quickly that bad boys break hearts, and start looking for something safer. Others will have realistic expectations (or low self-esteem) that will clue them in of their pecking order and outside of contention for the 20%.

You can find a decent girl. Is it harder to find a good one nowadays? Probably. Is it worth the effort to get her and then keep her? Maybe not. But I think it’s 100% possible, and it’s your choice to make.

For us MGTOW men, we always weigh the options. And when things don’t add up, we go our own way.

See you on the Far Side. – Moon Base

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