MGTOW Is Not The Means, But The End (Immortal Mindz Response)

The following article is a series of responses to a comment chain found from this video:

Of all the MGTOW videos in my favorites playlist, I feature Immortal Mindz (AKA Soul Immortal) the most.

The man is a wizard of the mind, a monk mode expert, and esoteric philosopher. I think very few other MGTOW will be able to comprehend or convey the significance of walking the solitary path. Soul once compared it to Santiago leaving Fatima in The Alchemist.

But to Soul, Monk Mode is only a temporary journey. While I don’t believe he will ever re-marry, he has created a potential blind spot for future dating with his 95/5 categorization of women.

This “virtuous woman” (aka NAWALT) occupies 5% of the total female population. However, he has stated that in modern times, the actual population the average man has access to is at or below 1% , as the other women in the 5% category currently belong to mostly isolated communities like the Amish, African Tribes, the Nunnery, etc.

Since the beginning, Soul has always been a believer in “raising one’s vibration” and Positive Thinking, and he claims that as soon as he spoke his 95/5 theory into existence, he suddenly began to see more of these favorable women appear in his life.

Now here’s the danger. Soul could very well be a Monk for the rest of his life, so he can simply observe and spout these theories without any harm to himself, and even if he leaves Monk Mode, he still has a wealth of experience to draw from, but his followers might not share the same level of sophistication. Men very early in their stages of rebuilding during the MGTOW Red Pill may cling towards any rationalization they can to keep women on a pedestal and never go down the lone road of the Monk.

Last year he made a new YouTube channel, and since then, more women and purple pill men have been occupying the comments section. I salute the man, but Iron Sharpeneth Iron, as he said, and so I must deem that his space is no longer a MGTOW refuge.

The Comment Chain

Charl was among other MGTOW men still stuck in the red-pill rage phase, and cases like him are why I decided to make MGTOW content, because there is a great lack of Monk Mode content available for those men to envision a productive path forward.

General MGTOW does do incredibly well with enlightening men on the pitfalls of dating and relationships, but it’s Monk Mode MGTOW that illuminates the path of self-actualization that comes after that.

If Charl had followed people within my circle, he would have learned that after taking the Red Pill, the best thing to look forward to is yourself, your own freedom, and the new possibilities for growth within your character.

Stranahan was correct to say that Charl is in the beginning stage of Red Pill, specifically the bargaining phase of the grief cycle, and needs to work on self-love because even though he has a desire for self-improvement, his focus is still outward on finding this 5% NAWALT.

The method he is employing to find her is also questionable, and it’s the exact sort of Positive Thinking tactics I said Immortal Mindz’ followers would find themselves in trouble with.

Soul did develop the 95/5 concept from the observations of healthier relationships from older men and women and combining it with his own experience, but Soul himself is of an older generation.

For the younger guys, this <1% NAWALT population is shrinking by the day.

Listen, I’ve read As A Man Thinketh. I absolutely love the quote “Man does not attract that which he wants, he attracts that which he is.” However, I don’t think it applies when you are trying to attract people, because people have much more personal agency than to be treated like objects in this way, and besides that, there is no guarantee that when you raise your vibration you won’t end up attracting the wrong type of people in your direction that may want to steal energy from you instead of building on it.


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Soul has always said that women are never meant to be pursued, only attracted. But if a man enters cocoon mode for the sole intent of later attracting a worthy mate, I will go as far to say that his pursuit of women has never ended; It remained as a spiritual longing even though it temporarily ceased in the physical.

Even when told of the possibilities of a fulfilling life outside of relationships, Charl’s response still revolves around women. His future depends on the quality of women available, and not solely on the quality of man he wants to become. This is the key difference between all the shades of blue and red pill, and the man that has decided to go monk.

This is why I say MGTOW is above Red Pill.

Red Pill is simply the knowledge of female nature, but MGTOW is about your own nature, possibly extending to all of nature, and the road to mastering it.


You don’t have to be celibate to be considered MGTOW. We’re not in the business of denying men of their comforts and privileges; we’re about maximizing personal freedom. Some of us men have realized that relationships with women could be a compromise to that freedom. It has absolutely nothing to do with having the strength or weakness to engage with women.

There is absolutely nothing pathetic about a formerly married man admitting that after his divorce and finding MGTOW, he has had his fill with women and now wants to move on to living a solitary life. I can’t even begin to describe how distorted your views must be look down on a man like this. Even if you meant for this label to only be extended to never-married men, it’s still wrong to associate a man’s self worth to his relations with women.

It was at this point that I decided to contribute to the discussion, and specifically call out the 95/5 as yet another fancy packaging for the NAWALT blue pill.

The reasons I wanted him to reply specifically after he moved in with his unicorn were because:

  1. That’s what I expect a Blue Pill man to do.
  2. I suspected he hasn’t found his 5% yet; it was food for thought.

Men and women are fundamentally different, and that’s why I implied there will be some level of maintenance, which can also extend to compromise. It’s called a sexual marketplace for a reason, for the fact that it denotes the interactions of men and women are always involving some form of exchange.

It’s just economics. No amount of positive thinking is going to change the fact that we live in a world of limited resources. Your time, freedom, and youth, are all limited resources. Everything has an opportunity cost.

I will close with wise words from Immortal Mindz:

Many of these men who are letting go of MGTOW will unfortunately be returning to just another shade of Blue Pill. You must go deeper, separate much further, to realize true elevation and clarity awarded only to the lucky few that choose to purse the path of a MGTOW Monk.

See you on the motherfuckin’ Far Side… and I’m out.


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How I Used Vegeta Going Super Saiyan For Life + Fitness Inspiration

Another Anime/Dragon Ball article?! I know, I know, but trust me, this one’s good. But first, some build-up:

I’ve started the Athlean-X “22 Day” Ab Workout challenge:

On Day 3 I found myself quite lethargic, as there was just no sense of urgency for it, and I had to dig deep.

I used to have a few rivals to compete against physically, but to tell you the truth, being MGTOW feels like the ultimate victory over them already.

Anything more is kicking a blue-pilled man while he’s down.

I have a regular selection of Vegeta scenes from DBZ that I use for motivation, and some are more intense or thematic depending on my mood.

However, I still wasn’t resonating with any of them, so while laying down, procrastinating, I asked myself:

“Why do I really have to do this?”, and I answered, “Because you agreed to it.”

And so, I started the work out. It was difficult without any extrinsic motivations as well as no clear idea for an intrinsic purpose, but over time my pride and desire to complete the work out developed, and I eventually tapped into a deep-seeded anger within me that led me to completely dominating the work out.

I tapped into the evil in my heart.

Although I was about equal or slightly above my rivals in fitness, I now desired to completely blow them out of the water. And I went even further, including people that weren’t even exercising.

I specifically targeted a few people who were Christians, because I recently came out to my family that I did not believe in the Bible’s interpretation of God or the events about the life of Jesus.

These people claim to have this connection to the Holy Spirit, and yet they continue to make poor financial decisions, are unable to curb their diet, and are generally unproductive with their time.

So there I was, going Super Saiyan, with an M on my forehead, sharp breaths in between reps that I want to kill their God.

Fuck Yahweh.

And I have to say it felt pretty good.”


Day 4

I performed a chest workout the night before, and still felt motivated to show them all the true power of the Majin Spirit vs. The Holy Spirit, but after the workout was done I wasn’t interested in re-watching the motivational videos.

I took a cold shower and realized how big my life actually is, with all the other goals I want to accomplish, and my true purpose and ambition hardly concerns anyone else in my family.

Even during my nightly journal session, I just wasn’t on the frequency to criticize them anymore.

Arriving at Day 4 of the Ab workout, I hesitated to watch the Majin Vegeta video. For some reason, it felt like it was going to require more energy to get emotional about the whole ordeal, instead of turning my brain off and just going through the motions.

“I didn’t care anymore. I didn’t care about being better than Kakarot. I didn’t care about being a Super Saiyan. I didn’t care if I lived! I didn’t care about anything! And then, it happened.” – Vegeta

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Vegeta had always felt that Goku surpassing him was an insult to his birthright as “The Prince of All Saiyans.” But what Vegeta had to realize was that Goku was never gunning for that position; Goku was always in his own lane.

Goku doesn’t even use his Saiyan-given name “Kakarot”. The Saiyan race is effectively dead and Vegeta and Goku are the last ones left, as their children are half-breed. There is no kingdom left to rule.

Vegeta became Super Saiyan when he finally dissolved his ego, and let go of all those external motivations. He had the power level to achieve the state a long time ago, but it was his insecurities and mental blocks that prevented it.

When he no longer cared about that, when his external world crumbled to the point that it nearly got him killed, that’s when his mind was forced to retreat into the quietness of his inner world, and suddenly, he exploded back as a Super Saiyan.

Unfortunately for Vegeta, reaching his goal made his pride multiple times worse than it was before, which led him to taking actions that would heavily endanger himself and the other characters in later arcs.

And so, I will stop where I am now and use his lesson.

I do have emotional issues. Insecurities. Pride. But I have to let it go.

When the workout started to get tough, and the images of the people I was angry at flashed into my mind, I let them go.

“I want to become my own person.” I told myself.

I may not be able to go Super Saiyan in real life, but I can enter a flow state, and it always requires me to lose my ego:


From Wikipedia:

“Jeanne Nakamura and Csíkszentmihályi identify the following six factors as encompassing an experience of flow:[2]

  • Intense and focused concentration on the present moment
  • Merging of action and awareness
  • A loss of reflective self-consciousness
  • A sense of personal control or agency over the situation or activity
  • A distortion of temporal experience, one’s subjective experience of time is altered
  • Experience of the activity as intrinsically rewarding, also referred to as autotelic experience”

It’s possible that I could continue to use those dark emotional feelings as fuel to power my workouts to incredible heights, like how Vegeta’s fury kept him alive at 450x Earth’s gravity, but I don’t think that power comes free.

What I gain in physical power might result in a trade-off that holds me back emotionally. It would drain me spiritually. And just like Vegeta’s case, it could also end up backfiring and hurt me physically.

I have to thank Immortal Mindz. I feel like he supported my comment because he secretly knew what was coming next.

I won’t dissuade anyone from using these negative forces and external factors to motivate themselves for their goals. We all resonate with different frequencies, and Vegeta’s was particularly dark. He was outer space under a lightning storm and meteor shower for goodness’ sake!

But through the darkness came the bright light of the Super Saiyan.

See you on the Far Side… – Monk Moon Base

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